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Poster: Zaorish Date: Jan 15, 2011 10:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

I haven't seen this topic in a while. Anyway here goes:

1977-04-25
1977-05-25
1977-10-16
1978-02-05
1978-04-24
1978-05-07
1978-12-16
1978-12-19
1978-12-30
1978-12-31
1979-02-03
1979-11-01
1981-03-10
1984-04-10
1984-07-13
1984-10-30
1989-08-06
1990-03-22
1991-06-25
1994-10-01
1995-05-26

Man, it was hard to narrow it down.
Did I miss anything important?

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Jan 15, 2011 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

1 of the best
http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-10-02.sbd.unknown.278.sbeok.shnf

slightly different from the rest, reggaeish
http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-11-26.sbd.streeter.21065.sbeok.shnf

77-05-25 is a brilliant version, 79-11-01,79-02-03, 78-04-08....

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Poster: reviewr Date: Jan 15, 2011 8:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

Please try the 10-14-94.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jan 16, 2011 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

for fuck sakes...good thing I'm here...

the best scarlet>fires are as follows...

in no particular order...giving a little representation to all years

05-08-1977 best
05-25-1977
10-02-1977 top 10
04-16-1978
09-02-1978
05-08-1979
10-10-1980 my personal favorite, top 3
08-12-1981
10-19-1981 scorching
04-03-1982
07-31-1982
06-18-1983
10-21-1983
04-20-1984
03-28-1985
12-28-1986
07-08-1987
03-31-1988 top 10
03-22-1990 top 10
09-14-1990
09-04-1991
10-01-1994
05-26-1995


fire notes: 10-14-1994 is a bloated ramble fest, don't be fooled...11-30-1980 may have a nice transition, but Garcia's fire solos are not where they need to be to push this one up the ladder...

This post was modified by stratocaster on 2011-01-16 16:01:14

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Poster: Quiche Date: Aug 29, 2012 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

Guys, guys! What about 7/1/85? Great extended solo from Jerry in Scarlet, lovely pacy, spacey transition that drops beautifully into a raging, uptempo Fire (again with excellent solos from Jerry). The band are all on song - check especially Bob's rhythm in Fire, Brent's keys in the transition, thumping drums, and Phil is pulsating throughout. The aud recordings of this are top!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 15, 2011 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

I need a list T.O. , baby. No mas.

I rated 10-14-94 highly, but it has nosedived. I agree w/ Strat.

I do not think there is a best one, which is a good thing.

http://tinyurl.com/q2xmsu

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Jan 15, 2011 6:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

This show has a first set Darkstar. Unbelievable.

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Poster: Zaorish Date: Jan 15, 2011 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

Lol...glad you enjoyed my little joke :)

Seriously though 5-8-77 is an extremely boring and straightforward version. Scarlet is decent but the transition, which is key to this combo, is just Keith repeatedly banging the same few chords over and over again. There is little to no variation in Fire and it ends in one of those "oh well, let's just mash the guitar strings real fast so it sounds like static" messes.

Glad to see we agree on the last 2.
I also wrote 4-10-84 by accident so I agree with your 4-20-84.

But in general, stratocaster, I demand for a very specific explanation as to why you eliminated 2-5-78, 4-24-78, and 2-3-79, my personal favorites. VERY specific!

Also as someone who listed 21 top 10's I demand you explain why you only listed 3 top 10's.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jan 15, 2011 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

if you made a greyfolded with scarlet fires...definitely 02-05-1978 and 02-03-1979 would be in there...find them to be a bit erratic though...02-03-1979 is a much better scarlet than is the fire...04-24-1978 is a good choice, but that month is covered with 04-16-1978...

The Cornell version is just so incredibly tight, they take their time developing the groove...Keith is doing his best Vince impersonation, I love this version, but it's not my favorite...

as far as top 10--definitive list if I can---05-08-77, 10-10-80, 3-31-88, 3-22-90, 10-2-77, 6-18-83, 10-19-81, from here it's tough...tie between 09-04-91, 12-28-86, 04-20-84, need to check out the 5-25-77 again...09-02-1978...

Cliff's choice of 05-25 is nice, would have to give it another whirl...

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jan 15, 2011 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

I'm a persnikcey bastage, one of my pet peeves is when they can't stick the fucking opening to fire...they muck it up in 02-05-1978...that is where it loses points...like I said parts of 02-0379 are A plus, parts are B minus...

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Poster: Zaorish Date: Jan 15, 2011 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

I didn't know there was a "proper" opening. Are you referring to the "Da, da-da, da-da, da-da-da, Da, da-da da-da..." thing? (Excuse me, my keyboard doesn't have musical notes on it)

By the way I agree 9-02-78 is Good, just didn't have enough variation in the jamming for me (tempo/mood too constant and steady). It may be that the "inconsistency" you cite in my top3 is the "variation" that I enjoy.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jan 16, 2011 8:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

Check out 05-08-79, can't celieve I forgot about it...

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Poster: vapors Date: Jan 15, 2011 12:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

This is one of my favorites, I suspect mostly be due to my presence there, which it has been determined always makes a show great: http://www.archive.org/details/gd87-04-09.aud.braverman.10262.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Zaorish Date: Jan 15, 2011 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

Took a bite of that one. Haven't heard it all but the recording is definitely nice and big, with a good mix of crowd and echoes. Will listen more later.

Money quote from jboyaquar:
"The first "Scarlet" in over a week is joyously received. Peppy, fluffy version leads to its life-partner. Jerry's electrifying my spectral ass with his playing on "Fire." "

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Poster: vapors Date: Jan 15, 2011 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

For weeks following this show my mantra was 'That was the perfect second set!' Okay, that was back in '87 when I was only 28 and no quite as seasoned a listener as today, but I really did enjoy listening to it again.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jan 15, 2011 4:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

Please do not ever quote jboy again!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 15, 2011 11:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

Cant imagine how 5/25/77 was not included on your list...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-05-25.sbd.miller.87591.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Zaorish Date: Jan 15, 2011 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

Agreed, the wah-wah is used to maximum effect on that show. Truly a top 10.

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Poster: Reade Date: Jan 15, 2011 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: more cowbell

http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-04-13.sbd.sacks.1614.sbeok.shnf

Jerry sticks the solo on Scarlet.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jan 15, 2011 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: From the Era!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-04-13.sbd.sacks.1614.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 15, 2011 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

...we avoid discussions like this?



[JK...but, is it not true, as a general observation, that there is more variation among Forumites as to top ten this, vs top ten that, for the last 20 yrs of the band's existence? Is it a sampling artefact? IE, more folks, more that were there, etc., etc.? Or, does it indicate that just as I foretold, given the overall decline, it's easier to vary because it is truly more subjective (don't write in if you missed the defining discussions of the degree to which subjectivity can be held in check, while accepting the reality of the issue, and the problems that flow from that...)]

Interesting...

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Jan 15, 2011 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

11/1/79 best ever

4/3/82 and 4/13/84 are also great.

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Poster: utopian Date: Jan 15, 2011 5:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10

4-8-78 my favorite
5-5-79
11-30-79

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jan 15, 2011 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

You worry me with that statement, but you have a pretty big benefit of the doubt around them here parts, so I'm giving you a freebie. ;D

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Poster: Zaorish Date: Jan 16, 2011 4:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

11-1-79 is great. It's one of my favorite of the longer ones. Brent does some super cool keyboarding in the transition as well, one of the few times when he leads the band.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 15, 2011 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

Ah--ignoring me altogether also makes it easier to discuss the latter era...

;)


[I assume this was just a case of placing your reply to the query as a post to the last post in the sequence, but you might upset Ring Lee O--she likes these things to be orderly!

;)

again, for clarity...hope you're off to a great New Year of "fun with shows and acoustic improvements" and such...]

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 15, 2011 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

Nah. I can't see Ring liking these things orderly. Not her nature.

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Jan 16, 2011 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

Charlie,
79-11-1: is that '& "Drums" OR "trucks" on her shoes?

My first listen in a long while is happening now...

4/2/82 & 4.13.84 are my two favorites that I saw along with sentimental favs 11/30/80 & 10/31/90 (w/the exception of Jer's shot voice).

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Poster: elkdog Date: Jan 15, 2011 3:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

I came by to mention 11/01/79, too. Slooow and spacy- a different feel for a Scarlet/Fire. Some exceptional jamming.

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Poster: vapors Date: Jan 15, 2011 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

Here’s five:

1. the mysteries, and the delightful satisfaction of having one solved.

2. following the progression of Dark Star from a short single to a multi-layered opus (or to quote LiA, “…how, over the course of 1968, this song would transform into an improvisational odyssey of its own, a psychedelic ship that could take audiences on infinite voyages.)

3. raw, energetic and powerful explorations in melody, counterpoint and meter.

4. the development of original songs, and the bounty of Hunter/Garcia compositions.

5. The passion and familiarity that knowledgeable forum members have to share regarding the first ten years.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 16, 2011 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

Good one, guys...good job.

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Poster: A Pilgrim Date: Jan 16, 2011 4:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

6. All killer and no filler.

7. PIGPEN!!!

8. Viola Lee Blues

9. 1/2/70 - 2/13/70 - 5/2/70

10. 1969

Throw this one in where ever you see fit. As a whole, the early era totally kicks the shit out of the other eras without breaking a sweat.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jan 16, 2011 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for sticking to the early era...

Cause you're a little bit of country and a little bit of rock'n'roll?

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Poster: reviewr Date: Jan 15, 2011 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 10 Scarlet > Fire's

Please try 10-14-94.